for one if you are trying to get rid of all your water for a show then the test esp a test that has multiple esters needs to come out entirely. if you feel you absolutely need to have test in (which you dont for a show) then go with tne or suspension. that for one will get you started on drying out and if you cant hold strength and muscle with a high dose of tren you are screwed regardless. now as far as orals you have a choice of go then win is going to treat you far better than the tbol is imho. even though most dont retain water with tbol, do you really want to chance it? you are much better off with the benefits of win as opposed to tbol for a show run. that of course is my personal opinion and from my own experience with most people