TweetGuns.. can you chime in on the above..??

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TweetMy deduction from the above would be to use nolva to block receptor and down thing to battle progesterone sides(not sure what agent that would be).

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Originally Posted by tazzy21

Guns.. can you chime in on the above..??

me personally, i would run eq at 400-600. as for combating the estro and or prolactin. i would use letro until it is gone alongside of caber at .5mg 2x per week for the duration. once you get it cleared up with the letro transition over to dex and keep it under control. or like c e said get it cleared up and then transition to nolva with the caber

TweetFYI. I've also got lots of proviron. Could I take it with the nolvadex? If so, at what does? Caber is super expensive

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Originally Posted by tazzy21

FYI. I've also got lots of proviron. Could I take it with the nolvadex? If so, at what does? Caber is super expensive

you can and the dose would be anywhere from 25-100mg. the anti e effects of proviron are very very minimal and it is also a dht derived compound. i am not personally a huge fan of nolvadex for estrogen blocking but i also dont get estro related sides. i only use dex, aroma or letro to crush estrogen to get ready for shows. as for caber yes it is very very expensive and you could go with prami instead but with prami most people dont tolerate it very well and it makes them sick. if you go the prami route take it before bed to offset it making you tired or sick

TweetLet me chime in here on the Prami, I started using it last cycle when i was taking tren. Guns said to go easy on it lol, i took twice the normal dose and i swear it was like someone drugged me i couldnt even hold my eyes open i had to go to bed at like 7PM. DO NOT TAKE IT IN THE MORNING, itll kill your entire day and make you tired all freakin day.

Even at night i had a horrible time waking up and it really ruined my drive to even get to the gym. That stuff was bad news i dont think ill ever take it again.

TweetLetro still not workin enough. How long should it take? Guns?? Sensitivity has gone down a bit but mass is still there. Taking 1.5 mg ed letro. . Killin my sex drive .. what do I do? Just started eq, and still taking test at 250mg week. . That's it.

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Originally Posted by tazzy21

Letro still not workin enough. How long should it take? Guns?? Sensitivity has gone down a bit but mass is still there. Taking 1.5 mg ed letro. . Killin my sex drive .. what do I do? Just started eq, and still taking test at 250mg week. . That's it.

the key would be do you want boobies or a sex drive lol? ramp it up to 2.5 for 2wks and see what happens. it usually only takes 2-3wks to clear it up but everyone is different. me personally if i were you and it developed, i would go with the letro at 2.5 until it is gone, then keep it at 2.5 and add in 1mg of dex for a wk as you transition over to dex for the duration of your run. dropping your test so low isnt going to help the sex drive either because the letro is literally crushing your estro. so the lower the test is with the lower estro is going to have the same negative sides on libido. the eq is going to take a bit to kick in and you shouldnt see much conversion with it if any at all. you can run eq solo as well

TweetOk. So ill up the test a bit for the next two weeks to help combat the drive issue..?

Tweetid keep the letro at 1mg ed and add in nolva until it subsides.. if your not getting anywhere id go to the doctor but give it some time

TweetI'm telling you man, you don't need to go heavy on the AI. The only aromatizing compound you're running is test and it's at a low dose. You're going to kill your e2 levels if you haven't already. The loss of sex drive leads me to believe you've already crashed your e2. This is not going to help because anadrol induced gyno is not from e2 conversion. You want to directly block the e2 receptors with a SERM. Nolvadex or raloxifene work the best.

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Originally Posted by Jozifp103

I'm telling you man, you don't need to go heavy on the AI. The only aromatizing compound you're running is test and it's at a low dose. You're going to kill your e2 levels if you haven't already. The loss of sex drive leads me to believe you've already crashed your e2. This is not going to help because anadrol induced gyno is not from e2 conversion. You want to directly block the e2 receptors with a SERM. Nolvadex or raloxifene work the best.

Um mm thanks bro but I think I'll stick with guns on this. Ya my e2 is crashed but better than having tits. Mass is still there, not as hard and not sore or sensitive anymore but still there. The test is at a low dose so shouldn't aromatize much if any or at least not enough to cause major gyno but guess I'm super sensitive..??