Tweetalbuteral and clen are both asthma meds and are both used for humans and animals lol. now ephedrine clen and albuteral are all beta 2 agonists which means they saturate your beta 2 receptors. this oocurs in 2-3wks for most individuals. so if you cycle clen with albut or clen or albut with ephedrine you are still hitting the exact same axis and not getting the full effect of the mechanism they apply. best bet is to rotate either of the 3 in a 2 on 2 off rotation with a non beta agonsit or use ketofene to keep the receptors clear. the cool thing i found with helios is that most people only need a fraction of the dose because it is amplfied big time by being an injectable. so 25mcg of clen feels like 75-100mcg of oral clen. sucks you didnt get a good run of your helios, they are very hard to find legit accurately dosed ones anymore.

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Originally Posted by guns01

albuteral and clen are both asthma meds and are both used for humans and animals lol. now ephedrine clen and albuteral are all beta 2 agonists which means they saturate your beta 2 receptors. this oocurs in 2-3wks for most individuals. so if you cycle clen with albut or clen or albut with ephedrine you are still hitting the exact same axis and not getting the full effect of the mechanism they apply. best bet is to rotate either of the 3 in a 2 on 2 off rotation with a non beta agonsit or use ketofene to keep the receptors clear. the cool thing i found with helios is that most people only need a fraction of the dose because it is amplfied big time by being an injectable. so 25mcg of clen feels like 75-100mcg of oral clen. sucks you didnt get a good run of your helios, they are very hard to find legit accurately dosed ones anymore.

Ah, the more you know... I was actually taking albuteral and yohimbe orally when I remembered I had this bottle. I read about the lower doses by injection and jumped on it. In a perfect world I'd cycle on off every 2 weeks but I don't live in that world. So that would explain why I didn't think it was so great.

I take 1cc in the morning and 1 pre workout. The morning one doesn't bother me a bit. But when I take that second one 12 hours later before the gym, I'm a sweating mess. Maybe I'm not giving it enough credit and was hoping it was that magic bullet we all hope to find that cuts fat without having to get off your ass.

Thanks for the info Guns, your always a wealth of information. It seems I know no other way to learn than the hard way, but at least I retain it the second go around.


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Originally Posted by StorminMormon

Ah, the more you know... I was actually taking albuteral and yohimbe orally when I remembered I had this bottle. I read about the lower doses by injection and jumped on it. In a perfect world I'd cycle on off every 2 weeks but I don't live in that world. So that would explain why I didn't think it was so great.

I take 1cc in the morning and 1 pre workout. The morning one doesn't bother me a bit. But when I take that second one 12 hours later before the gym, I'm a sweating mess. Maybe I'm not giving it enough credit and was hoping it was that magic bullet we all hope to find that cuts fat without having to get off your ass.

Thanks for the info Guns, your always a wealth of information. It seems I know no other way to learn than the hard way, but at least I retain it the second go around.


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holy shit balls man. you were running 2ml a day haha. that's probably 50mcg of clen alone then the yohimine is probably around the 50-100 range. i am not surprised you were sweating like a wild animal chasing prey. i would be shaking like a cat shitting razor blades for days after that. all i needed was 1/4-1/2 ml about 30 min before cardio and i was golden all day long. with the yohimbine it is supposed to help spot reduce as well. i had some really good success with the lower ab and glute ham tie ins going sub q with it.
you said it best though that you learned something. next run just add .5-1mg of ketofene before bed for the duration and you can run it low dose as long as you want to without saturating you receptors

TweetIt doesn't take me long to get use to stims. I'd be willing to give ketofene a try but I've got no idea where to find it. It's a RX isn't it? My guy can get me everything under the sun but he's never had that.

I keep hearing about benedryl to clear receptors.. But I've got a good tolerance to that too... Is that just bro science or is keto the only way to go?

TweetI just read an old thread you were in Guns. I see benedryl isn't worth a try. And I realized my source does carry. They use the full technical name so I could never find it in a search. Excited to see what it can do for me.

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Originally Posted by StorminMormon

I just read an old thread you were in Guns. I see benedryl isn't worth a try. And I realized my source does carry. They use the full technical name so I could never find it in a search. Excited to see what it can do for me.

almost all of your research chem companies carry it. i am pretty sure the ones we have here do as well so it shouldnt be a hard item to find and it's pretty cheap also

TweetI need to quite messing around and get my blood pressure checked because I'm thinking its a bit high. Have been getting random nose bleeds lately.

Tweetman thats awesome...Power of the mind

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Originally Posted by rocky83

I need to quite messing around and get my blood pressure checked because I'm thinking its a bit high. Have been getting random nose bleeds lately.

do you hot like flush in the face and does that come with crazy sweating?

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Originally Posted by MOUNTAIN-MAN

do you hot like flush in the face and does that come with crazy sweating?

^^It's tough to tell when it happens because I am hot all the and sweating. I am at the end of my cycle, so hoping things calm down once I am off.

TweetKEEP AN EYE ON IT CVS AND WALMART HAVE BP CUFFS FREE