Tweetyeah i've hurt myself a few times til i found that sweet spot. i just moved up higher on my thigh it is was all good then.

Tweetuntil you find the sweet spot your going to experience pip. ive tested reducing pip by injecting an hour or 2 prior to a hard leg workout, and so far it seems to help in reducing known pip.

TweetI wont use my legs I cant walk when I inject in the quads

TweetMy quads will get red and sore for several days after an injection. Just watch for a fever and put ice on it (anti inflammatory) and some ibuprofen. It should go away within the week. I only hit glutes now after a bad quad experience.....

TweetI'm the same way with quads. No matter what size pin or pharma grade or ugl or any compound, I get sore and limp around from quad injections. I stopped them years ago as well.

Originally Posted by BABY1

Fuzo used to always have that with quad injections. he stopped injecting there years ago.

TweetVery well said. So many people are quick to blame gear for pip but there are so many other factors that the gear is actually rarely the cause of pip. You can experience pip from injecting water.

Originally Posted by sofargone561

Its probably nothing brother. I have had A FEW infection scares. One time i had redness swelling and pain for about 2 weeks. There are so many factors that cause pip it is hard to tell A.) what it is and b.) is it infected.
It sounds to me like you only have done 2 injections so far in your quad. Is this your first experience pinning? Virgin muscles will always hurt until they get used to the pinning.

Also as far as no pip with pharmacy grade again PIP is nt just from the gear. think about this ok, any shaking at the top of the syringe when injecting is multiplied at the tip of the needle because its so small. The needle in your muscle if your hand is shaking is kind of like a little blender and its ripping and tearing the muscle. This is fine because it will heal itself but it will hurt while its healing. That is one factor of pip.

Another factor may be that maybe your body is just fighting the oil a little more then normal i noticed this happens from time to time. You could also have missed part of the muscle and then your body will be trying harder to break it up and it will hurt a little more. There are really so many ways to get PIP even with the best gear its possible. I am sure you do not have an infection and its just irritated. Just give it time and keep an eye on it.

You can heat the oil up a little before you pin it. One way is to get a bowl of warm water (not to hot) and put the vial in the water only up to the oil dont let the water get anywhere near where you inject. I do not do this but its one way to do it. Another way and to me this is the easiest and safest is to draw the oil into a pin, cap the pin and put the needle onto a heating pad and fold the pad over the needle so its wrapped up. Let it sit in there for a few minutes and pin. Heating up the oil will allow the oil to flow better and your body will break it up better and should help with the pip.

I have a question. What size needle are you using? Gauge and length? Also one more thing I would like to add was When i first started pinning quads it hurt worse then anywhere else I had pinned before but once my quad got used to it, its not my go to spot.

Last but not least I have heard A LOT about fake Norma Test E 250 amps going around. Now just because they are "fakes" does not mean the gear is not good. I cannot comment on if yours are real or not or if they are bunk or not but do a good search and see what others have said and see if you can match your amps and box to the real ones or the fake ones and that should help you a little as far as that goes.

Pharma companies have strict laws and regulations so most of there stuff will look the same. Look at all your vials and see how they match up to each other. Look for inconsistencies in lettering, the bottle shape and the level of oil in each one. Although this is not a sure fire way to determine if you have real ones or not its a good start. Most fakes of any brand has inconsistencies and errors because they do not have the same system or quality control in place.

TweetIt's strange to me how it affects everyone so differently. Glutes are probably the worst place for me.

TweetI just wanted to let those know who chimed in the anti-biotic my doc gave me is working well for my quad. it was diagnosed as cellulitis and still not sure what caused it other then maybe there was still bacteria on my leg even after taking a shower . I'm thinking of washing the area I want to inject in for now with a bacterial hand soap that comes in a small bottle . I know the bar of soap most of us use that sits on a soap dish probably collects bacteria and maybe not the best to wash the area with before injecting .

TweetMake sure you use alcohol before injecting any spot every time. just a shower won't do it. Hell the towel you dry with even just clean from the drier could still have bacteria on it just. I always wash with anti bac soap and then wipe the area good with alcohol before every injection. Glad your feeling better

Tweet^ bingo swap the top of the vial with a swap and the injection site with another. also wait till the vial and injection area are dry before injecting

TweetPinning quads is a nightmare. Always use the alcohol swabs like these fellas said above, you also want to wait a short period of time after applying the alcohol so that it can work to kill the surface bacteria before injecting.

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Originally Posted by animal87

It's strange to me how it affects everyone so differently. Glutes are probably the worst place for me.

Same here bro I try. To avoid them if I can

TweetGlad to hear you went to the doc and got something for it. I have had issues with quad injections with winny suspension, that knots me up something awful. Love the quads for oil injects though super easy and smooth.