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      I did a quad injection Monday and it left me with bad PIP that has me limping around . I'm really hoping it's not an infection . I injected 250mg of Norma test E and it was after I took a shower and swabbed the area with alcohol , so i'm not sure if it's something I did wrong or the gear . So far Iv'e done 2 glute injections with only slight PIP and I thought there's supposed to be none with pharmacy grade .I Only know the area looks a little red and feels a little hot and really sore . Iv'e had problems like this before with quad injections . Anyone had this issue ?

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      Is this virgin muscle?

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      Fuzo used to always have that with quad injections. he stopped injecting there years ago.
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      Default Re: PIP IN QUAD !

      Seems like alot of guys have a ton of nerves on the quads that mess it up. It's one my favorite places.

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      No , Iv'e cycled test and deca before and inject b-12 and never an issue there .

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      Oh okay. Well maybe it is just pip and nothing more. I am like animal quads are my absolute favorite. Just keep an eye on it. If it starts to get heat in it and swell go to the hospital.

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      Ok , does it sound like ice or heat is better ? I was about to place a heating pad on the area right now .

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      Default Re: PIP IN QUAD !

      I hate pinning quads. I once pinned a calve, (and I got decent size ones) And that shit hurt for a week!

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      Its probably nothing brother. I have had A FEW infection scares. One time i had redness swelling and pain for about 2 weeks. There are so many factors that cause pip it is hard to tell A.) what it is and b.) is it infected.
      It sounds to me like you only have done 2 injections so far in your quad. Is this your first experience pinning? Virgin muscles will always hurt until they get used to the pinning.

      Also as far as no pip with pharmacy grade again PIP is nt just from the gear. think about this ok, any shaking at the top of the syringe when injecting is multiplied at the tip of the needle because its so small. The needle in your muscle if your hand is shaking is kind of like a little blender and its ripping and tearing the muscle. This is fine because it will heal itself but it will hurt while its healing. That is one factor of pip.

      Another factor may be that maybe your body is just fighting the oil a little more then normal i noticed this happens from time to time. You could also have missed part of the muscle and then your body will be trying harder to break it up and it will hurt a little more. There are really so many ways to get PIP even with the best gear its possible. I am sure you do not have an infection and its just irritated. Just give it time and keep an eye on it.

      You can heat the oil up a little before you pin it. One way is to get a bowl of warm water (not to hot) and put the vial in the water only up to the oil dont let the water get anywhere near where you inject. I do not do this but its one way to do it. Another way and to me this is the easiest and safest is to draw the oil into a pin, cap the pin and put the needle onto a heating pad and fold the pad over the needle so its wrapped up. Let it sit in there for a few minutes and pin. Heating up the oil will allow the oil to flow better and your body will break it up better and should help with the pip.

      I have a question. What size needle are you using? Gauge and length? Also one more thing I would like to add was When i first started pinning quads it hurt worse then anywhere else I had pinned before but once my quad got used to it, its not my go to spot.

      Last but not least I have heard A LOT about fake Norma Test E 250 amps going around. Now just because they are "fakes" does not mean the gear is not good. I cannot comment on if yours are real or not or if they are bunk or not but do a good search and see what others have said and see if you can match your amps and box to the real ones or the fake ones and that should help you a little as far as that goes.

      Pharma companies have strict laws and regulations so most of there stuff will look the same. Look at all your vials and see how they match up to each other. Look for inconsistencies in lettering, the bottle shape and the level of oil in each one. Although this is not a sure fire way to determine if you have real ones or not its a good start. Most fakes of any brand has inconsistencies and errors because they do not have the same system or quality control in place.
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      Pinning quads never goes over well for me. No matter how smooth the gear is.

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      If it is an infection, you will run a fever
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      Quote Originally Posted by sofargone561 View Post
      Its probably nothing brother. I have had A FEW infection scares. One time i had redness swelling and pain for about 2 weeks. There are so many factors that cause pip it is hard to tell A.) what it is and b.) is it infected.
      It sounds to me like you only have done 2 injections so far in your quad. Is this your first experience pinning? Virgin muscles will always hurt until they get used to the pinning.

      Also as far as no pip with pharmacy grade again PIP is nt just from the gear. think about this ok, any shaking at the top of the syringe when injecting is multiplied at the tip of the needle because its so small. The needle in your muscle if your hand is shaking is kind of like a little blender and its ripping and tearing the muscle. This is fine because it will heal itself but it will hurt while its healing. That is one factor of pip.

      Another factor may be that maybe your body is just fighting the oil a little more then normal i noticed this happens from time to time. You could also have missed part of the muscle and then your body will be trying harder to break it up and it will hurt a little more. There are really so many ways to get PIP even with the best gear its possible. I am sure you do not have an infection and its just irritated. Just give it time and keep an eye on it.

      You can heat the oil up a little before you pin it. One way is to get a bowl of warm water (not to hot) and put the vial in the water only up to the oil dont let the water get anywhere near where you inject. I do not do this but its one way to do it. Another way and to me this is the easiest and safest is to draw the oil into a pin, cap the pin and put the needle onto a heating pad and fold the pad over the needle so its wrapped up. Let it sit in there for a few minutes and pin. Heating up the oil will allow the oil to flow better and your body will break it up better and should help with the pip.

      I have a question. What size needle are you using? Gauge and length? Also one more thing I would like to add was When i first started pinning quads it hurt worse then anywhere else I had pinned before but once my quad got used to it, its not my go to spot.

      Last but not least I have heard A LOT about fake Norma Test E 250 amps going around. Now just because they are "fakes" does not mean the gear is not good. I cannot comment on if yours are real or not or if they are bunk or not but do a good search and see what others have said and see if you can match your amps and box to the real ones or the fake ones and that should help you a little as far as that goes.

      Pharma companies have strict laws and regulations so most of there stuff will look the same. Look at all your vials and see how they match up to each other. Look for inconsistencies in lettering, the bottle shape and the level of oil in each one. Although this is not a sure fire way to determine if you have real ones or not its a good start. Most fakes of any brand has inconsistencies and errors because they do not have the same system or quality control in place.
      I really never pin quads and it's a 22 guage- one inch needle I pin everywhere . I know a lot of guys use different size needles to withdraw and inject and one size seems to do it for me . It is from a sponsor on many sites and no one's ever complained about the Norma's they have . I 'll try heating the amps next time and thanks for the advice .

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      I had thisd once on my quad. Had been pinning the same gear for more than a few weeks and hd done quads plenty of times as they are my fav. Then out of the blue I had a bad one. Quad was hard as a rock and hurt like no other for almost 2 weeks before it got better. I used a heating pad daily and ice pack when I went to bed, but only time helped. I still can't explain it cause I used the rest of that bottle and pinned the other quad, pecs, delts and then back to the quad that was jacked up and never another problem. just a bad pin I quess. Anyway as long as it does not get really red and fever you should be fine. just have to ride it out. I also rolled it out after heating a few times after a few days. It kinda helped but hurts like a mofo. Good luck bro
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      Quote Originally Posted by roidboy175 View Post
      I really never pin quads and it's a 22 guage- one inch needle I pin everywhere . I know a lot of guys use different size needles to withdraw and inject and one size seems to do it for me . It is from a sponsor on many sites and no one's ever complained about the Norma's they have . I 'll try heating the amps next time and thanks for the advice .
      Yeah it might just be that you never do them. Quads are a weird muscle and it seems to either work for you or it doesnt. there doesnt seem to be an in between. As long as you trust your source I was not trying to make you feel like you had fakes i was just trying to norrow down possibilities. As long as it makes you grow its gtg in my book!
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      you more than likley hit a nerve i hit one everyother time i hit quades it taKES 5-6 days and it should get better

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