TweetIMO it's all about your workout plan, cardio, conditioning, and diet. So absolutely! Some drugs may be better suited for cutting and endurance while other may be better a bit better for bulking but to me it really comes down to your workout plan and diet.

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Originally Posted by gusto77

IMO it's all about your workout plan, cardio, conditioning, and diet. So absolutely! Some drugs may be better suited for cutting and endurance while other may be better a bit better for bulking but to me it really comes down to your workout plan and diet.

That`s the thing, goal wise im basically trying to get best of both worlds, my workout routine is very intense and prioritizes the compound lifts while still quite a bit of high volume auxiliary lifts. My agility/speed training routine is going to be extremely intense thanks to an insane old school trainer guy with a ton of plyos, bands, resisted running, sprints, a bunch of high intensity agility circuits and just overall conditioning.

One of my main goals though is to gain some size and definitely strength while still performing well and getting something from the agility and speed training, I can compare it to a Recomp somewhat.

Basically im going to be training effectively to gain strength and speed, im just trying to figure out which area i should target the most with my cycle. What about maybe TestE and EQ for like 16 weeks but start the first 6 or so weeks with NPP and some testP. Just throwing around some ideas. If you were in the same situation what would you go for?

TweetDeca helps w my joints so I can very much improve speed and agility. It's all about diet and routine. I have been on deca and got too heavy my skating and snowboarding didn't exactly suffer but I wasn't comfortable if that makes sense and I could feel how heavy I was when trying to Ollie or jump


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TweetFor me personally its either one or the other. It would be hard to both improve athletic performance and put on alot of muscle at the same time.

As for compounds EQ as long as you keep your RBC in check would help with endurance. Mast. and primo would help get very lean gains and stregth without putting on too much weight.

TweetWinstrol will tighten your tendons a little, I would actually say not to use if working on agility. EQ is good for clean gains and like animal said will help with RBC

TweetWell the training has a lot of synergy, as the speed training is mainly based around explosiveness and muscle reaction while the weight training is also largely explosive training with alot of compound and Olympic lifts. So my theory is that you could run some EQ to help with gains but mainly to help with endurance and make up for some of the weight gain, Add some test, and then some NPP for a little more then the first half of the cycle to really increase explosiveness.

Then by the time i drop the NPP the season is gonna be closing in and in theory then once i drop the NPP i will most likely lose some excess water weight, Maybe even amp up my AI to help with that, and with test and EQ still going i will be able to keep the explosiveness and LBM from the NPP. Hopefully with that transition i will feel a pretty significant difference in my speed and agility as i am still doing the same training and movements with less weight and more strength then before. i could maybe even through in some Masteron the same time i drop the NPP.

and Vicious that definitely makes sense to me. last summer i ran EQ with some test, i didn't worry about my speed and agility in training that much at all and put on a good 15-20lbs and still actually felt faster and more responsive with my change of direction but i know what the added weight was difficult to get used to.

I appreciate the input thanks

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Originally Posted by wutlisstrice

Havent see you round here in a while,welcomeback

Thanks man! its good to be back lol. just been insanely busy

TweetDeca makes my joints feel great so I dont see why not. If anything just train harder for that while your getting bigger. I blow up on deca but I dont see why it would effect my current level of speed and agility to bad.

I dont run winny because of the dryness of the joints. I agree with adding EQ though I love the EQ/Deca combo.