TweetI've never had the npp ester. But Deca/test is my normal cyle. I get great strength and mass gains with almost no sides(maybe a little night sweats) I've never got deca dick. I hold some water but it's not just sloppy weight like on anadrol and if I add in mast. at the end it gets rid of the water and increases my strength. It's much easier for me to deal with than tren. My joints feel good and just feel good in general, tren gives me awful insomnia and while the gains are great I'm ready to be off of it when the cycle is over.

All in all to me tren is very lean gains and awesome strength. Deca is slow and steady gains and needs to be ran a long time but, when it kicks in the strength and mass gains are great imo. Both have their place just work differently for me.

TweetYea starting with the npp would probably be the best option similar to how guys start out on tren a.You can play with your dosage easily and find your sweet spot and if you find the point that you get some negative sides its easy to back off versus the decaonate your stuck for a lot longer with it.

Tweetmy belief is the bloating is a result from high test in combination with deca. my last cycle i ran npp at twice the dose of test and felt ggrrrrEEEAT! my upcoming cycle im continuing the same protocol, however im leaning towards slightly less test i.e. 150 npp & 50 test p eod. call me crazy but i didnt need no caber with this, not claiming you wont need it though, however i have been using a daily dose of yee ole cialis. i am tempted to try this on my next deca/test run too (high deca/low test).

TweetWow, thanks for all the great responses guys. The deca sounds great for this time of year. I'm on a cruise for another two months as I just finished a tren/test cycle a month ago. This is a tough decision but the test/deca or test/npp sounds pretty tempting.
I'm really preferring the long esters lately because of the E4d injections. I ran a couple cycles with prop and tren a and it was EOD injections. I really grew sick of that. How does 600mg test e a week with 400 mg deca broken into E4d injections sound? I have cialis on hand.

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Originally Posted by mfdvr

Wow, thanks for all the great responses guys. The deca sounds great for this time of year. I'm on a cruise for another two months as I just finished a tren/test cycle a month ago. This is a tough decision but the test/deca or test/npp sounds pretty tempting.
I'm really preferring the long esters lately because of the E4d injections. I ran a couple cycles with prop and tren a and it was EOD injections. I really grew sick of that. How does 600mg test e a week with 400 mg deca broken into E4d injections sound? I have cialis on hand.

Thats what I do, only difference is I run 600 test/500 deca a week inject because I just don't get the sides from deca alot of people do.

Tweet600/400 works great for me. Mild but affective! I usually include dbol at the beginning for first 4 weeks and/or winni the last 4 weeks and the results are very satisfactory.

TweetGreat comments here so won't repeat them but all that said. I think guys who are older find deca much more appealing. I didn't like deca in my 20s but love it in my 30s.

Now after 4 weeks of trying deca and tren (with test) I'm dropping the tren. It's just killing me...the combo. I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack, not really, but it seems to hv amplified the tren sides for me. So for me I will keep them separate. Deca in winter and tren in summer!

TweetI love running the two together also great gains

TweetDoes deca not make you guys lethargic? My first cycle ever was deca only (yeah I know stupid) but that is all I had access to back in the day.

Anyways all I wanted to do is sleep all day. A buddy of mine who competes ran test and deca for his off season cycle and he also mentioned being lethargic and tired all the time.

TweetI think everyone who bodybuilds or takes a supplement as we do should take a daily pill of cialis.Plus taking it before a work out is a plus and helps you work out

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Originally Posted by FUZO

I think everyone who bodybuilds or takes a supplement as we do should take a daily pill of cialis.Plus taking it before a work out is a plus and helps you work out

and it is known to help with bp, so some of you may benefit from concerned bp's by using this supplement on the daily.

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Originally Posted by FUZO

I think everyone who bodybuilds or takes a supplement as we do should take a daily pill of cialis.Plus taking it before a work out is a plus and helps you work out

How many mg do you take daily? I have an RX for 5mg daily for BPH

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Originally Posted by mfdvr

How many mg do you take daily? I have an RX for 5mg daily for BPH

I do 25mg, no science it's just what works for me...I've heard lower and higher.