Tweeti am going to play devils advocate here and point out something that i see way to much of. way to many people jump on this or that anti estrogen fearing gyno and other side effects way to quick. blood work should be done to check to make sure estro levels are to high imo. we need some estro running around in order to make gains and a lot of these anti estro kill off estrogen almost completely. best way to find out if you need a blocker or killer is to get blood work done. itchy puffy nips is a small indicator but i honestly feel like a lot of guys get it in there mind and just jump on them when they arent needed. i dont want anyone to grow boobs but i am just saying bloods should also be done to see if or what is causing the issues

TweetI have to agree with what was said above, 500mgs of test a week did awesome for me and now that i just finished test only im surprised looking at my previous cycle pictures where i ran eq how much leaner i was.

do you immediatly get estrogen sides? is it a few weeks in?

TweetI feel you brother...I turned into a huge dickhead on tren...but I think Guns made a great statement: when i changed my dosing schedule I seemed to be less irritable...I did a cutstack of test p/tren a/mast p Everyday....But here is something else to consider:

Run NPP! I love deca and one way for me to avoid some sides is to take the quicker estered nandrolone phenylprop....

TweetThanks all for information. I know my body well and what's going on. First time I took dbol was at 15mgs a day when I came off I couldn't get hard shut me right down and had to get operation on my left nipple to remove breast tissues size of ping long ball. That same pulling sensation when shit was developing is what I get on dbol obs and deca.

Now I've ran aromasin with it didn't seem todo shit ! But I've also ran test eq cycle and aromasin worked well?

So this is why I'm frustrated and I really wanna run deca test and dbol successful with no sides and still put on mass !

As for tren I can try it again but I'm not ready jus yet, I wanna do this bulker cycle first and add it in at end or just do another cycle all together. Thabks guys I really appreciate the help. Like I said I have Nolva cabaser and aromasin on hand right now.

Just to add when I was getting gyno from deca or dbol I took letro and it didn't do shit dunno if it was bunk or what but I didn't get the sex drive loss or diarehea so it might've been bunk

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Originally Posted by juiceman

Thanks all for information. I know my body well and what's going on. First time I took dbol was at 15mgs a day when I came off I couldn't get hard shut me right down and had to get operation on my left nipple to remove breast tissues size of ping long ball. That same pulling sensation when shit was developing is what I get on dbol obs and deca.

Now I've ran aromasin with it didn't seem todo shit ! But I've also ran test eq cycle and aromasin worked well?

So this is why I'm frustrated and I really wanna run deca test and dbol successful with no sides and still put on mass !

As for tren I can try it again but I'm not ready jus yet, I wanna do this bulker cycle first and add it in at end or just do another cycle all together. Thabks guys I really appreciate the help. Like I said I have Nolva cabaser and aromasin on hand right now.

Just to add when I was getting gyno from deca or dbol I took letro and it didn't do shit dunno if it was bunk or what but I didn't get the sex drive loss or diarehea so it might've been bunk

I can understand your frustration! We all can lol...sides are inevitable, some are just more pronounced than others...so, I think that Test/Npp could be good...ask Nips, he is running that....I did as well and had no real sides...You love deca so why not give it a go? lol...but if you had a bad experience with dbol, just flat out stay away this next cycle because you will psyche yourself out regardless...physchosomatic sides can occur, you can mind-fu*k yourself out of the benefits....I don't mind sides and I prepare myself for them so I don't get crazy when they occur.

Try this: Sustanon/Omnadren and NPP....throw in some Tbol for shits and giggles...I like this, or even anavar...believe it or not, I have gained a great deal of size off of a cycle like this, it all comes down to your diet brother....