TweetI would definitely wait but, if somebody is going to do something theres usually not much that can be done to change their minds.

TweetWith the caber.. i would run it straight through but the only place i can get it from has it priced very high, like 20x1mg tabs for $120, but its pharma grade.

and from what you guys are saying i like the idea of running HCG all the way through but im young and just want to minimize long term suppression, so you think at about 500IU`s a week i wont effect my natty levels in the future?

TweetI know im still very young to run tren, but as long as i run it safely i dont see how it would damage me in the long term..and im not gonna play in the pros or anything so this time of my life i have the most motivation to do it, with football.

TweetWell the more informed you are the better tren is greatness in a bottle but can do a lot of damage if used improperly. Age I'd atleast wait till mid late 20s. Definitely not on your first cycle, primarily just to see how you react to test, and other aas sides etc.

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TweetMind me asking how old are you FB40

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TweetSorry just saw that you were 20, now Im no doc but at that age your most likely all gung ho about today and whatever comes youll deal with it tomorrow. Id say hold off on the aas period your natural hormones should be more than enough but its your decision. Plus tren can prevent uou from having kids in the future.

TweetI think you should stop using AAS and reach your natural potential first. You got a lot of good years left in you before you need juice. But I never listened either. Tren is going to fuck your cardio for football. You will be panicking trying to catch your breath. Nothing beats tren as far as its lean gains and bf % drop. But you will have trouble sleeping and you will have a hell of a time breathing. Npp is a better choice for on season training. Good luck buddy.

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Originally Posted by animal87

I would definitely wait but, if somebody is going to do something theres usually not much that can be done to change their minds.

^^^exactly...so may as well give sound healthy and safe as possible advice. He could have said he was 30 or 40 or ??? I have found we need to just give the best advice and knowledge as well as educate for any me member despite age. Should he wait sure, will he wait???

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Originally Posted by Heavy Hitter

I think you should stop using AAS and reach your natural potential first. You got a lot of good years left in you before you need juice. But I never listened either. Tren is going to fuck your cardio for football. You will be panicking trying to catch your breath. Nothing beats tren as far as its lean gains and bf % drop. But you will have trouble sleeping and you will have a hell of a time breathing. Npp is a better choice for on season training. Good luck buddy.

Well ill be running it during out winter program, so theres not much conditioning...and i assume you ran tren at a young age also, whats your experience with the long term effects of running it that early. And i have ran a few cycles before, two short ones with just test and dbol, then one with test, EQ and dbol and i responded very well with those, kept almost all of my gains and am back to normal.

And with the not having kids, that is a main concern, i really want to avoid that. but with HCG, a proper PCT, and caber just in case could i still be at risk for a permanent shut down?

And i may be a young stubborn kid but i am health conscious so please i want to listen if you guys really think i shouldnt do it, just explain why

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Originally Posted by MuscleAddiction

^^^exactly...so may as well give sound healthy and safe as possible advice. He could have said he was 30 or 40 or ??? I have found we need to just give the best advice and knowledge as well as educate for any me member despite age. Should he wait sure, will he wait???

i dont think theres anything wrong with giving sound advice, but who says you cant give sound advice alongside extreme caution?

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Originally Posted by Fullback40

Well ill be running it during out winter program, so theres not much conditioning...and i assume you ran tren at a young age also, whats your experience with the long term effects of running it that early. And i have ran a few cycles before, two short ones with just test and dbol, then one with test, EQ and dbol and i responded very well with those, kept almost all of my gains and am back to normal.

And with the not having kids, that is a main concern, i really want to avoid that. but with HCG, a proper PCT, and caber just in case could i still be at risk for a permanent shut down?

And i may be a young stubborn kid but i am health conscious so please i want to listen if you guys really think i shouldnt do it, just explain why

Pct hcg all our protocols for restoring our little pair below are not guaranteed, Especially starting young. If you shut down and tren is super powerful at that. They may not come back I do have a buddy that followed protocol to the t. Cycled on off with proper breaks. The doc said his count was so low (while off cycle and blasting hcg and clomid like bro science says to do lol) that they would have to artificially inseminate his wife with his sperm to get her prego. Its luck of the draw. Some recover some dont...

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Originally Posted by lujannoe

Pct hcg all our protocols for restoring our little pair below are not guaranteed, Especially starting young. If you shut down and tren is super powerful at that. They may not come back I do have a buddy that followed protocol to the t. Cycled on off with proper breaks. The doc said his count was so low (while off cycle and blasting hcg and clomid like bro science says to do lol) that they would have to artificially inseminate his wife with his sperm to get her prego. Its luck of the draw. Some recover some dont...

Damn. that is pretty sobering, is this from long term repeated runs of tren?

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Originally Posted by sensitivenips

i dont think theres anything wrong with giving sound advice, but who says you cant give sound advice alongside extreme caution?

Of course!!! Absolutely right!!!