TweetDzone, I was the same. Whether whacking off or getting some I always felt guilty. Most people just do what they want and do not even try to live by Christian values.

It was this guilt that made me do research in the Bible. Like I said, it is left over puritanical values. Like not drinking alcohol even though it says "Jesus turned water into wine". They twist it, and say it was not fermented. Which is CRAZY, for sure it was fermented wine. They had no method of preserving stuff back then. Fermented beverages with alcohol were far safer to drink than grape juice.

I mean if one was to live strictly by the bible anyway one would send his wife to live in a shed during her monthly visitor and if you lost your dick and or balls due to cancer or an accident you go to hell. (There is no purgatory or middle ground in the Judeau Christian interpretation of heaven and hell. So to hell you go!)

Oh, do not call someone baldy, God might send some bears to kill you like in 2nd Kings 2:23-25 Yeah I know, context and interpretation but why take some of the bible literally and some as a parable that means something else? Hell the bible has been changed so many times and during Constantine's rein. He decided what should be in the bible, threw out some, changed others. No one knows the original text. Also many other manuscripts have been found. They are discounted as is the gnostic bible.

Who knows what is right. I cannot believe that a loving God would say "If you believe in my you will go to heaven, if not you go to hell" That is the bible in the New Testament. So if ****** gave his life to God and took Jesus as his lord and savior he is in heaven while some person who lived a righteous life, never sinned and helped people goes to hell because they were agnostic.

It was such freedom to leave organized religion behind, the guilt and hypocrisy were maddening.

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Originally Posted by jipped genes

Dzone, I was the same. Whether whacking off or getting some I always felt guilty. Most people just do what they want and do not even try to live by Christian values.

It was this guilt that made me do research in the Bible. Like I said, it is left over puritanical values. Like not drinking alcohol even though it says "Jesus turned water into wine". They twist it, and say it was not fermented. Which is CRAZY, for sure it was fermented wine. They had no method of preserving stuff back then. Fermented beverages with alcohol were far safer to drink than grape juice.

I mean if one was to live strictly by the bible anyway one would send his wife to live in a shed during her monthly visitor and if you lost your dick and or balls due to cancer or an accident you go to hell. (There is no purgatory or middle ground in the Judeau Christian interpretation of heaven and hell. So to hell you go!)

Oh, do not call someone baldy, God might send some bears to kill you like in 2nd Kings 2:23-25 Yeah I know, context and interpretation but why take some of the bible literally and some as a parable that means something else? Hell the bible has been changed so many times and during Constantine's rein. He decided what should be in the bible, threw out some, changed others. No one knows the original text. Also many other manuscripts have been found. They are discounted as is the gnostic bible.

Who knows what is right. I cannot believe that a loving God would say "If you believe in my you will go to heaven, if not you go to hell" That is the bible in the New Testament. So if ****** gave his life to God and took Jesus as his lord and savior he is in heaven while some person who lived a righteous life, never sinned and helped people goes to hell because they were agnostic.

It was such freedom to leave organized religion behind, the guilt and hypocrisy were maddening.

Exactly. The truth will set you free! This sounds very similar. I was a total bible fanatic at one time, even went to bible college for a semester. I went all in for years. I memorized as much scripture as I could. Everyday. I could have been a pastor. I was an evangelist on fire. Then I started doing some research. Council of Nicea, Constantine, the actual writers of the bible, cult of human sacrifice, people in the old testament sacrificing their children to make god happy, etc . Now I know why nobody ever reads the old testament. Apparently God changed his mind from being a mass killer to being a kind and loving god in the new testament. Baldy! hahaha yep, I read that crazy story and said wtf. Then theres the story of Jephthahs daughter, gruesome human sacrifices in the bible. Of course some of my christian friends say I am lost and going to burn in hell for eternity for calling it bullshit. LOL

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Originally Posted by jipped genes

Hell the bible has been changed so many times and during Constantine's rein. He decided what should be in the bible, threw out some, changed others. No one knows the original text. Also many other manuscripts have been found. They are discounted as is the gnostic bible.

This is something I've always thought about. To me it seems like the Bible was modified through the centuries to fit a certain mold at any given time. Then comes all the manuscripts that have been left out. Why were they left out? Do some of them contradict one another? Do some of them not fit the narrative that was being pushed at a given time and therefore left out? It all just leads to so many questions, which lead to more questions and so on.

Then you have all these pastors that manipulate it to pull things their way. Most of the "prosperity pastors" like Kenneth Copeland, Jessie Duplanits and Creflo Dollar. These guys literally boast about being multi millionaires on the backs of their congregations. They will flat out tell you the more you tithe, the more you will be blessed. Look up Kenneth Copeland if you get a chance. The guy is certified evil in my opinion. I can't wrap my mind around how this man is a pastor and who in their right mind would follow him. He gives off the demeanor like he has multiple evil spirits inside and is struggling to keep them under control. His eyes. Just looking in that man's eyes is frightening.

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Originally Posted by Yohimbe

This is something I've always thought about. To me it seems like the Bible was modified through the centuries to fit a certain mold at any given time. Then comes all the manuscripts that have been left out. Why were they left out? Do some of them contradict one another? Do some of them not fit the narrative that was being pushed at a given time and therefore left out? It all just leads to so many questions, which lead to more questions and so on.

Then you have all these pastors that manipulate it to pull things their way. Most of the "prosperity pastors" like Kenneth Copeland, Jessie Duplanits and Creflo Dollar. These guys literally boast about being multi millionaires on the backs of their congregations. They will flat out tell you the more you tithe, the more you will be blessed. Look up Kenneth Copeland if you get a chance. The guy is certified evil in my opinion. I can't wrap my mind around how this man is a pastor and who in their right mind would follow him. He gives off the demeanor like he has multiple evil spirits inside and is struggling to keep them under control. His eyes. Just looking in that man's eyes is frightening.

No doubt! I watched a video of Kenneth Copeland flying his brand new 40 million dollar jet airplane his "cult" bought for him. He was praising Jesus for his new jet. That dude has no shame and little old ladies send him their social security check each month so he can flaunt his wealth. Kenneth Copeland is a complete fraud but he is still on TV telling people they will get rich if they send him 10% of every dollar they make. Disgusting. He is a clown. Back When I was a brainwashed by religion, I loved watching Kenneth Copeland preach. lol

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Originally Posted by Dzone

No doubt! I watched a video of Kenneth Copeland flying his brand new 40 million dollar jet airplane his "cult" bought for him. He was praising Jesus for his new jet. That dude has no shame and little old ladies send him their social security check each month so he can flaunt his wealth. Kenneth Copeland is a complete fraud but he is still on TV telling people they will get rich if they send him 10% of every dollar they make. Disgusting. He is a clown. Back When I was a brainwashed by religion, I loved watching Kenneth Copeland preach. lol

Man I can't wrap my mind around the fact that so many people send this guy money. I was watching an interview done by a TV station that caught up with him as he was getting in his car and he got up in the ladies face pointing at her. He looked like pure raw evil. Like he was possessed and trying with all of his energy to keep it under control.