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Originally Posted by Dzone

Hey let me ask you guys a question. At what age would you say Tren is no longer good to take? Would you say theres a cut off age or no? Whos the oldest guy you ever knew to take tren? Did he drop dead or not? lol.... Is it pretty much guaranteed to raise your blood pressure or is that just a few people? Plus, Im not sure I want to feel irritable , I get irritated enough already. Is that a certainty? Just curious.

doesnt raise everyone's bp, doesnt hammer everyone's liver or lipids either. the one thing that damn near everyone will see is kidney stress from the drying properties and if it does raise your bp. if you keep your health markers in check take your support supps get regular blood work and dont get stupid with it, i say their is no age limit. it can make you a little short on the temper but i think that's over played and an excuse for some to act like ass holes. then again if it keeps you from sleeping which it does for some, that in itself will make you pissed as all hell. the trick is to keep blood levels as possible and take as little test as needed to keep the sides away. like dutch and i were discussing, i think it is best with no test to alleviate some of the issues

Tweeti know a 56 year old guy that does tren and his only complaint was high BP and a little mood swings here and there so i wonder if he is just to old, but again everyone is differant.

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Originally Posted by shooter

i know a 56 year old guy that does tren and his only complaint was high BP and a little mood swings here and there so i wonder if he is just to old, but again everyone is differant.

It is the individual.

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Originally Posted by guns01

doesnt raise everyone's bp, doesnt hammer everyone's liver or lipids either. the one thing that damn near everyone will see is kidney stress from the drying properties and if it does raise your bp. if you keep your health markers in check take your support supps get regular blood work and dont get stupid with it, i say their is no age limit. it can make you a little short on the temper but i think that's over played and an excuse for some to act like ass holes. then again if it keeps you from sleeping which it does for some, that in itself will make you pissed as all hell. the trick is to keep blood levels as possible and take as little test as needed to keep the sides away. like dutch and i were discussing, i think it is best with no test to alleviate some of the issues

Do you not think most of these sides have to do with the amount of tren? I know the particular person also needs to be taken into account but on 50 mgs a day I have never had a single side effect. It works wonders at that dose also.

100 mgs a day is just too much and, aside from very few, I would think it would have to cause unwanted sides.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

Do you not think most of these sides have to do with the amount of tren? I know the particular person also needs to be taken into account but on 50 mgs a day I have never had a single side effect. It works wonders at that dose also.

100 mgs a day is just too much and, aside from very few, I would think it would have to cause unwanted sides.

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hell yeah it is def dose dependent for sure. 50mg a day is excellent and should yield some damn good results. you are also kind of making my point though of stable blood levels dosing it daily. i really think that is key to fighting off tren sweats loss of sleep and irritability. i dont push mine no where near as high as i used to but i can tell and feel if i get out of wack and miss a day. i still stay in the 75-100mg dosing daily when it is in my lineup. i would also rather see someone start out in the low end of 25-50 just to test out the waters because we still have people out there that just dont tolerate it at all.

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Originally Posted by guns01

hell yeah it is def dose dependent for sure. 50mg a day is excellent and should yield some damn good results. you are also kind of making my point though of stable blood levels dosing it daily. i really think that is key to fighting off tren sweats loss of sleep and irritability. i dont push mine no where near as high as i used to but i can tell and feel if i get out of wack and miss a day. i still stay in the 75-100mg dosing daily when it is in my lineup. i would also rather see someone start out in the low end of 25-50 just to test out the waters because we still have people out there that just dont tolerate it at all.

You pretty much agree with me on just about everything from what I've seen. I believe we are around the same age maybe that has something to do with it, experience.

Someone using Tren A for the first time can gain on 25 mgs a day. No doubt about that. It's just never a talked about dose so people automatically think 75, 100, 50 the lowest.

I, usually, if I use tren A(IMO Tren A is the best form of tren out there. The Hex going around I have tried and it is not at all the same thing as the old Negma parabolan. I have a very good friend who runs a fairly large manufacturing operation. He did explain to me the difference, what they have now, according to him is not the same exact drug that Negma sold under the name Parabolon. I'll ask him again and clarify that. The old Negma para is, by far, the best drug, period, I have ever used and all you needed was about 152 mgs a week). 25 mgs a day is 175 mgs of tren ace a week. If you are using it for the first time take that with 500 or so mgs of straight test, not a blend like sust, and maybe add an oral like dbol, anadrol, superdrol and you will grow like a weed. At 25 mgs a day it is very unlikely you get any of those, horrible, always talked about side effects that scare people away from Tren completely. For most, yes some are more sensitive, but for most even at 75 a day you should tolerate it pretty well. Once you get into the 100 mg a day range is when most start getting the sides you hear about but not everyone. It all depends on your body though so Guns is correct. Do a run with just 25 mgs a day, see how you handle it. If you are fine you can try 50 the next time. That may be all you need. Tren is usually taken at too high of a dose so your best bet is to start very low and figure out what dose is optimal for you. The goal should be to find the dose at which you get the best gains without getting side effects that are so bothersome they affect your life.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

You pretty much agree with me on just about everything from what I've seen. I believe we are around the same age maybe that has something to do with it, experience.

Someone using Tren A for the first time can gain on 25 mgs a day. No doubt about that. It's just never a talked about dose so people automatically think 75, 100, 50 the lowest.

I, usually, if I use tren A(IMO Tren A is the best form of tren out there. The Hex going around I have tried and it is not at all the same thing as the old Negma parabolan. I have a very good friend who runs a fairly large manufacturing operation. He did explain to me the difference, what they have now, according to him is not the same exact drug that Negma sold under the name Parabolon. I'll ask him again and clarify that. The old Negma para is, by far, the best drug, period, I have ever used and all you needed was about 152 mgs a week). 25 mgs a day is 175 mgs of tren ace a week. If you are using it for the first time take that with 500 or so mgs of straight test, not a blend like sust, and maybe add an oral like dbol, anadrol, superdrol and you will grow like a weed. At 25 mgs a day it is very unlikely you get any of those, horrible, always talked about side effects that scare people away from Tren completely. For most, yes some are more sensitive, but for most even at 75 a day you should tolerate it pretty well. Once you get into the 100 mg a day range is when most start getting the sides you hear about but not everyone. It all depends on your body though so Guns is correct. Do a run with just 25 mgs a day, see how you handle it. If you are fine you can try 50 the next time. That may be all you need. Tren is usually taken at too high of a dose so your best bet is to start very low and figure out what dose is optimal for you. The goal should be to find the dose at which you get the best gains without getting side effects that are so bothersome they affect your life.

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not many of us still running around with experience of actual para. 76mg m w f and call it a day. the feel and how your body changes is unbelievable. i was lucky enough to do tours around the med when you could still roll into the pharms and buy it. got so bad that when we started low we would run half dose m w f just to make the amps last longer haha. not that i would attempt it today but we used to bring back 100s of amps with us off of deployments. man those were the days

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Originally Posted by guns01

not many of us still running around with experience of actual para. 76mg m w f and call it a day. the feel and how your body changes is unbelievable. i was lucky enough to do tours around the med when you could still roll into the pharms and buy it. got so bad that when we started low we would run half dose m w f just to make the amps last longer haha. not that i would attempt it today but we used to bring back 100s of amps with us off of deployments. man those were the days

Damn, I'm not sure how much I would pay for a hundred amps of old parabolan. I would go pretty high though.
Awesome drug.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

Damn, I'm not sure how much I would pay for a hundred amps of old parabolan. I would go pretty high though.
Awesome drug.

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back in those days over there the were only about 4-6 bucks a piece haha. you could get the sust and 2ml organon deca bottles for 1-2 bucks as well. greece spain and croatia were the best. some middle eastern countries were also good to go. a little harder in france but do able same with italy. you can probably still do it today but in most countries if one of your buddies dont speak the language all you had to do was find a good cab driver give him 50 bucks and promise to use him the whole time you were there and they would go in and buy you anything you wanted