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Originally Posted by BigDawg

i am going to start using nolva exclusively now instead of Adex. my dr freaks the phuq out every time i get blood work done as the Adex drops my hdl way too drastically and she starts telling me i'm a walking heart attack waiting to happen. i read years ago that nolvadex while acting as an anti estrogen actually acted as an estrogen in the liver and produced a higher hdl level so i got some nolva and have been using it and not only have i had zero estrogen issues as far as side effects but my last labs showednot only much improved lipids/triglycerides but my ldl dropped and total cholesterol is under 200 for the first time in a decade and assuming by next labs my hdl will be back where she would like. after coming off adex my hdl would slowly go from a 9 (horribly low) to a 24 in about 3 weeks which was much better but still not in the 40 range that is preferred. Definitely staying with nolva versus adex from now on.

not crushing your estro with the novla is going to make your gains better and your joints feel excellent man. if you need an anti e and that's a big if, look into aromasin instead. it will actually help improve your lipids but again it crushes estro so gains will be slower and joints will feel the pain