TweetVertigo!!! That's what I was thinking of!! Iv got karbolyn right now but only use it when I have too.

Originally Posted by guns01

a company called biotest i believe makes the almost identical original version of intra md. i am pretty sure it is called surge or something like that. it is crazy crazy expensive but it is the same product as intra md with the carb source being highly branched chained cyclic dextrin and casine hdroslate(i believe). now there are many other products out there with similar ingredients that are really good also: like karbolyn and vitargo to name a few. they are worth the investment for sure