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Originally Posted by guns01

low dose dnp is going to give you the most bang for you buck. it isnt going to hammer your heart and kidneys like other stimulate based fat burners do. again everyone says dnp is poison and is bad blah blah blah. well i learned from a pro that it does interfere with your training and how you feel when you push the dose up high and their is no need to crank it up to that level. 150-300mg and you will feel great and the fat will melt off.

as far as other choices:
prime nutrition backdraft xp (you have to cycle it because your body adjusts to the capsicums in it)
black lion incinderine (great burner with a bit of stim to it)
alphamine (i tried this stuff and love it)

my biggest suggestion for you if you are looking to go with a otc supplement would be to give tgb a call or shoot them an email. they wont steer you wrong and rip you off. the dude knows his stuff and doesnt put you on a product because it is the most expensive

I hope someone does a log.

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Originally Posted by dirtwarrior

I hope someone does a log.

dirt i knew a guy that turned me onto the process last year that dropped about 45ish lbs in just under 12wks. the dude only did 3-4 light 20 min cardio sessions a wk and he kept a constant cal and carb content for the duration. he got freaking nasty peeled and suffered no ill effects at all and was actually able to gain about 9lbs the last 2wks filling back out into the show he did. i am sure some people dont tolerate the heat from the stuff and have other issues but he stayed at 300 for about 3wks and then dropped to 150 for the duration. so that is far less than what you see people using and getting all the nasty side effects. i was sold on it for a good fat burner that doesnt hammer your heart and keep you tweaked out of your mind 24/7

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Originally Posted by dirtwarrior

I hope someone does a log.

Yes I am curious as well!!!!!