Back when i was 20yrs old which was 11 years ago my first cycle was 35mg dbol for 5 weeks and 300mg of deca for 10 weeks. LOL wish i had the knowledge back then as i did now bc i would have included test. Also my diet sucked, ate fast food all the time and partied my ass off since i was in college. I still made good gains but it could have been much better...live and learn.