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      Ok, so I have read a lot of controversy about using HCG and when to use it, and dosing. So, who uses it and what are your dose days and iu's?

      I've read that using it the entire cycle is good, some say it should be picked up in the middle and ran right up to PCT and some say they even use it during PCT as well. I am curious to who uses it and the thoughts on when to do so.

      I received mine last week and i am currently in the middle of an 8 week cycle of TrenE/TestE. I originally planned on running 250iu 2xWK, but my dumb a** did my first injection friday and did 500iu instead of 250 so I decided to wait a week and jump on the 250x2.

      The way it is going to work out on the HCG doses for me is that doing them every 4 days is going to some times fall the day before my Tren/Test injection and some the day after... I am not really sure how this is going to affect me since it will be the first time i have ever used HCG. Also, I am curious if 500iu a week is enough if i am running 400mg/WK Tren and 250mg/WK test?

      Last but not least. HCG during PCT? Anyone run it with PCT? Should I run the HCG up to when i start my PCT, or stop the doses after the last dose on my cyc?

      For me and a lot of others here, most of this is experimental until we have done it long enough to know exactly what works with our bodies and what does not, and blood work is the tell all as well. I know for me, from this point on, every cycle i do until i decide i just want to do it completely clean and natural will always include several BW tests!
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      hcg is suppressive itself so i would not include it into pct. you have to ask yourself if it is going to keep your test down and increase estro at the same time then why toss it into pct? we use hcg to keep the boys full and semi functioning while taking extra test. so your best bet imo is to either start it at 250 1-2x per wk at the start of your cycle and cut it off around 2wks out before the cycle ends. that way you can get it cleared out before you start up your actual pct. if you have sensitive bp while on or off you also have to keep a close watch on that as well while running hcg. it can make it go up as well.

      at the end of pct i would wait a couple weeks or so then check your test and estro levels to see if you recovered properly. funny thing is, some people can just run a cycle and they bounce back with no pct or with pct and some guys run one little cycle and their bodies never bounce back. hell i know one guy that ran one in his low mid 20s and never recovered at all. dude tried everything under the sun including the actual doc. hrt from them on
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      Quote Originally Posted by guns01 View Post
      hcg is suppressive itself so i would not include it into pct. you have to ask yourself if it is going to keep your test down and increase estro at the same time then why toss it into pct? we use hcg to keep the boys full and semi functioning while taking extra test. so your best bet imo is to either start it at 250 1-2x per wk at the start of your cycle and cut it off around 2wks out before the cycle ends. that way you can get it cleared out before you start up your actual pct. if you have sensitive bp while on or off you also have to keep a close watch on that as well while running hcg. it can make it go up as well.

      at the end of pct i would wait a couple weeks or so then check your test and estro levels to see if you recovered properly. funny thing is, some people can just run a cycle and they bounce back with no pct or with pct and some guys run one little cycle and their bodies never bounce back. hell i know one guy that ran one in his low mid 20s and never recovered at all. dude tried everything under the sun including the actual doc. hrt from them on

      That makes really good sense. I just hate when i research something and there is so much controversy over it it makes my eyes want to bleed trying to read it. So, what are your thoughts on how my doses fall? Like i had mentioned, some days I will actually be taking a dose of HCG the day before my dose of T/T, and some days will be the day after the T/T.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MxxC82 View Post
      That makes really good sense. I just hate when i research something and there is so much controversy over it it makes my eyes want to bleed trying to read it. So, what are your thoughts on how my doses fall? Like i had mentioned, some days I will actually be taking a dose of HCG the day before my dose of T/T, and some days will be the day after the T/T.
      it's just like pretty much everything else man, you can find supporting and conflicting data on damn near anything. what i like to do is take what the old timers did and then see how it's evolved and try to find somewhere in the middle that works best for me or the people i work with.

      as for when your injections fall, i honestly dont think it makes that much of a difference as long as you are getting 2x per week at 250. i would try to get those 2 hcg ones spread out as good as possible so you arent getting a big over lap dump from them though. i dont know anyone in their right mind that would think that using something that is continuing to surpress in their pct. just doenst make any sense to me at all that is unless your trying to have a kid during pct but then the pct would be pretty much worthless. haha, also keep in mind to be extra careful with sex while you are using the hcg. it is going to boost those swimmers when they should be low during cycles. some people also dont take that into account either
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      Quote Originally Posted by guns01 View Post
      it's just like pretty much everything else man, you can find supporting and conflicting data on damn near anything. what i like to do is take what the old timers did and then see how it's evolved and try to find somewhere in the middle that works best for me or the people i work with.

      as for when your injections fall, i honestly dont think it makes that much of a difference as long as you are getting 2x per week at 250. i would try to get those 2 hcg ones spread out as good as possible so you arent getting a big over lap dump from them though. i dont know anyone in their right mind that would think that using something that is continuing to surpress in their pct. just doenst make any sense to me at all that is unless your trying to have a kid during pct but then the pct would be pretty much worthless. haha, also keep in mind to be extra careful with sex while you are using the hcg. it is going to boost those swimmers when they should be low during cycles. some people also dont take that into account either
      I think the e4d method will be good then. I dont know either about running it PCT, everything you said made sense, I will be stopping my use of it around the last injection of test and then a 2 week break before PCT. I honestly would like to get my hands on the Nolva that I used a few years ago at the end of a short Test/Mast cycle I did rather that the Clomid i have on hand! As far as those swimmers go, Im good to go there, plenty of rubber fishing nets if you know what I mean!
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